Seventh, the argument is about religion. I tell her that she can't make make an argument based in religion, because religion has no basis in fact. Faith is the antithesis of fact. Arguments are about facts and being able to prove your point with the facts. Religion is based on faith and faith cannot be proven because it is the opposite of fact, it is based in wishes.
I know this and I have had the arguments all before with other people and I know there is only two solutions, agree to disagree or end the friendship. With strong minds those are the only answers. Seventh has the strongest mind I know, but she does not know how how to argue based on faith and it frustrates her. It frustrates her because she is a genius at arguments. The Bible is really great at making arguments because all the facts that of the religion are there for all to see, but every argument is easily countered in the Bible.
The other problem is that the Bible birthed philosophy and philosophy which was based in religion but evolved away from it. Religion birthed a way of thinking that killed it. Philosophy is about taking one or two facts and arguing until one or the other fact is thoroughly proven or is destroyed, just through rational thought and since religion is not about rational anything it always loses. No Christian theologian can form a valid argument against a properly armed rational person.
It is because faith is not fact. Fact can not prove faith. They are not apples and oranges, they are absolute opposites. I know this, but to a person raised in a rational world and newly indoctrinated to it may not realize that. The trouble is that I love her and I am not willing to give up on her. So there we see the problem, love is more closely related to faith than rational thought, but because we are on the opposite sides of this argument, that is not possible, ever. So much that she fears to be around me.
The other argument was with MagicEyes. Not an argument precisely, more like I talk she responds and I talk again and she does not respond. I don't know whether I went too far or whether my arguments are making her think. I have made her think before so that might be it, but because all the talk has been not in person I don't know what she is thinking and she won't tell me.
I don't want to put the argument here, but I am not I am not getting any information and I don't know what to do. It started with my perceptions of herself by me. She wanted to really know what I thought of her, to be sure that I thought of her was not as how she perceived every other male thought of her. She thought I did not think of her like other that, but wanted to be sure. I confirmed that. But then she told me that I would not care for her as she is now. I just wanted to let here know that it did not matter, but I misunderstood.
Did she mean that if I knew her now, as she is now that I would not care for her? Or did she mean that if I knew her as she is now I would not care for any more? Or did she mean that if I knew her now I would not be cap pile of caring for her? I of course only thought of one and so I thought obsessively about it for a couple of hours and then wrote her a long e-mail not featured here.
I tried to say that it did not matter, but I got no response. And thus my confusion, because obviously I got it all wrong, as usual. And I am confused.
I feel that every move that I always make always ends in unhappiness. MagicEyes, Seventh and all the past and all the future. When ever I think I am moving forward I am moving backward. It makes me want to not play, but I am addicted to the game. Game is not the word it is just an analogy. I can't play this game, this life. Not playing is not an issue.
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